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Showing posts with label George Tiller. Show all posts
Showing posts with label George Tiller. Show all posts

Monday, June 7, 2010

GROW UP TROY

George Offerman

It seems the self proclaimed ‘national’ leader for the Pro life movement has a very thin skin. I have occasionally posted on Mr. Troy Newman and his Wichita Organization over the past several months, and have received very nasty responses, that up to this point I have not published, or edited significantly when publishing. I have also donated thousands to his causes over the years believing he was the genuine ‘article’ concerning how he represented himself and the causes he has supported. Because another side has emerged (actually it has come to my attention over the past 2 years, something that those who know him well have known for some time) I decided to sever ties with Troy and his Wichita Organization about a year ago, and let him know why.

Since that time, Troy has been on the attack and has attempted to smear me, along with others, and has done this in the name of ‘Christianity” and ‘saving the babies”. Troy and his ilk have attempted to use bullying tactics that have included outright lies, and attempting to label people with diagnosed mental illnesses (I guess these are examples of his innovative ways). It is very unbecoming, as well as juvenile to resort to playground behaviors and name calling, but as I have discovered, Troy wants to play by his rules, and has no tolerance for anything or anyone who dares to challenge his ‘supreme authority’.

Below is an actual e-mail exchange, unedited from one of the supposed national leaders of the Pro life movement. It is rather sad that Mr. Newman wants to interact in the way that he does, and wants to infer that he is the ‘big dog’ in the room. There seems to be no lack of pride in this man, and Troy is the one who is constantly ‘bad mouthing’ other pro lifers and organizations that do good work that is unrelated to his Wichita organization and may actually garner some attention, taking the attention away from Troy.


From: troy newman
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010
Subject: today's post
To: George Offerman



You are a tiny gnat on a cows ass in the heat of summer delighting in
the aroma of one Randy Terry; but you think you are in the Caribbean.
I'm not wasting my time to look at your ongoing verbal diarrhoea

--
Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be
strong. 1 Cor 16:13

Troy Newman
316-683-6790 office
916-244-2636 fax


On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:49 PM, George Offerman
wrote:

Troy and Win,


See today's post www.prollifedefender.com

- Show quoted text -

G.O.





As Christians, we have a difficult enough time in recruiting other Christians for this battle, and many have rightfully pointed out how the pro life movement is fragmented, and filled with many ego maniacs who seem more interested in self promotion and fundraising than getting the job done. It is especially shameless when these same leaders who will claim to be infallible in their judgment characterizations use sinful behavior to harm another, and then use the Christian Moniker to hide behind and justify their sinful behavior. That is why the pro life movement is so stagnant now, and not really attracting the new blood and vigor it needs.

The pro life movement does not needs a self proclaimed leader who acts like an adolescent as its spokesman. The pro life movement does not need those that utilize methods like trashing others in order to look good themselves, as motives to accomplish their own narcissistic need for fame and fortune. The pro life movement does not need the constant harping about how “if you don’t fund US, then babies will die” mantra as if they have sole rights and are the only route to overturning Roe. No, the pro life movement needs visionaries that are leaders, and willing to do whatever it takes to end legalized child killing, and not be concerned about how they look in the battle.

So, from Troy’s perspective I am nothing more than a tiny gnat on a cow’s ass. I can go along with Troy’s analogy, and I will gratefully be a tiny gnat in this battle, but knowing that Troy is the cow’s ass (since he insists on being the big dog, or ‘cow’ on the national scene) gives some credence for the need to be vigilant and hold those accountable who want to make the claim they deserve the standing they have taken. My thoughts about Troy are similar of his towards me, in that in dealing with Troy, a little Preparation H will do the trick.

Friday, June 4, 2010

OTHER VIEWS CONCERNING GEORGE TILLER

George Offerman

Below is a statement put out by Troy Newman, president of the Wichita Organization discussing the George Tiller situation, and what would appear to be Tiller’s ‘imminent’ retirement. He also takes the position to chastise Roeder, a man who contributed to his organization and had had personal contact with the members of the Wichita Organization. The response that follows was penned by Dan Holman, and represents another position that many Christians have taken, but have been soundly condemned by those like the Wichita Organization.

This posting is longer than normal, but I encourage the reader to persevere and take the time to look at both letters.


Abortionist Tiller was Slated to Soon Retire Before his Death

Tiller's planned retirement proves Operation Rescue's work was successful. Roeder was wrong.

Contact: Troy Newman, President, 316-841-1700; Cheryl Sullenger, Senior Policy Advisor, 316-516-3034; both with Operation Rescue, info@operationrescue.org

WICHITA, Kansas, May 31 /Christian Newswire/ -- At a fundraising dinner held on May 26, 2010, abortionist LeRoy Carhart told attendees that his employer, George Tiller, was making plans to soon retire prior to his murder by Scott Roeder last year. The information was reported on a feminist blog site by a woman who attended the event.

"Dr. Carhart confided that Tiller was slated to begin his retirement not long before his death," the blogger wrote.

Operation Rescue stated publicly in a commentary published on Feb. 2, 2010, that we believed that Tiller may have been planning to retire rather than face the disgrace of being disciplined for illegal late-term abortions by the Kansas Board of Healing Arts, which had filed an 11-count petition against him that was pending at the time of his death.

"Carhart confirms that we were correct in concluding that Tiller was ready to retire," said Operation Rescue President Troy Newman. "We had worked since 2002, through peaceful, legal avenues to expose the heinous nature of Tiller's late-term abortion business, bring him to justice, and close his abortion clinic. The fact that Tiller was preparing to quit proves that our efforts were successful. Unfortunately, Tiller's murder a year ago was a senseless and despicable act that wrongly took a life and denied the people justice under the law. If Roeder had not acted, Tiller would be retired today and his abortion clinic closed without violence. We were right. Roeder was as wrong as it gets."

The following is an excerpt from OR's February 2 commentary:

In March, 2009, Tiller was acquitted of the 19 criminal charges during a trial that took the jury less than 25 minutes to decide. But within minutes of that verdict, the Kansas State Board of Healing Arts, newly under the direction of Jack Confer, issued a statement that the Board was proceeding with eleven similar charges that could have led to the revocation of Tiller's medical license. Confer assured the public that the KSBHA worked under a different burden of proof than the criminal courts and that the outcome of the criminal case would have no effect on the KSBHA's case.

The timing and content of that release sent a strong message to the community that they could expect a different outcome from the KSBHA case. That message, along with indications that Tiller had taken steps to disband ProKanDo prior to his criminal trial and other intelligence gathered by Operation Rescue, led to the logical conclusion that either Tiller would soon have his license stripped by the KSBHA, or that he would retire in order to avoid the humiliation of revocation. We were cautiously optimistic that Tiller's infamous late-term abortion mill would be closed within months - through peaceful, legal means.

Operation Rescue is one of the leading pro-life Christian activist organizations in the nation and has become a strong voice for the pro-life movement in America. Operation Rescue is now headquartered in a former abortion clinic that it bought and closed in 2006. From there, Operation Rescue launches its innovative new strategies across the nation, exposing and closing abortion clinics through peaceful, legal means. Its activities are on the cutting edge of the abortion issue, taking direct action to stop abortion and ultimately restore legal personhood to the pre-born in obedience to biblical mandates.



The following is a response by Dan Holman, and it takes the form of presenting another side of this issue. So far, the ‘mainstream pro life’ groups have basically ‘iced’ any consideration of differing opinions from theirs, and in effect, have colluded with the MSM and death camps they claim to be against. The language is a little rough, but sometimes a little rough language is what the doctor calls for to make the point.



Pro-life Christian Assholes

Troy Newman’s May 31st Commentary: “Tiller's planned retirement proves Operation Rescue's work was successful. Roeder was wrong” His article defines the ignoble function of Operation Rescue in the body of the Pro-life Movement.

Troy has written much about Tiller’s baby-killing operation and the horrific crimes. For years Troy and others had fought admirably to shut Tiller’s operation down. Troy relied heavily on the “rule of law” to end Tillers killing spree. The best efforts of legal redress came to naught.

When baby-murder is the rule of law, all who resist are outlaws. Nothing Newman, Phil Kline, or anyone else did slowed Tiller’s baby-killing machinations. Scott Roeder, like David of old, slew the great giant with one projectile to the braincase. But instead of cheers from the pro-life camp, he was booed in the gallows. Troy was the first to condemn him!

We must ask ourselves why? Why would Troy Newman pull a long face over the death of a stinking baby killer? He makes his reasons clear in this article:

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/5087514036.html

"Carhart confirms that we were correct in concluding that Tiller was ready to retire," said Operation Rescue President Troy Newman. "We had worked since 2002, through peaceful, legal avenues to expose the heinous nature of Tiller's late-term abortion business, bring him to justice, and close his abortion clinic. The fact that Tiller was preparing to quit proves that our efforts were successful. Unfortunately, Tiller's murder a year ago was a senseless and despicable act that wrongly took a life and denied the people justice under the law. If Roeder had not acted, Tiller would be retired today and his abortion clinic closed without violence. We were right. Roeder was as wrong as it gets."

I wonder how many babies would be dead today had Scott Roeder not acted?

Would Tiller have retired by now? No one seems to know when he would have quit. I have been told that because of his Parkinson’s disease, others were doing his killing for him. His duties were mostly administrative. Troy’s “ace in the hole” was his hope that the Kansas Medical Board would have pulled his license sometime in the future. This is very doubtful considering that Tiller won every legal challenge. Even if Tiller’s license were pulled, he could have operated on the licenses of visiting assassins.

This discussion is important because Troy knows a motive of vengeance (or punishment) is indefensible, but a motive of defense of others is justifiable homicide. That why Troy is focusing on these arguments: “Tiller was going to retire anyway, he was going to lose his license, so Scott Roeder was wrong to kill him.”

Newman would be right if Tiller were retired, if he were no longer killing. The facts are he was not retired, his license, and his practice were active at the time of the shooting. Even IF Tillers role in killing babies were diminished; he still played a vital active role in their deaths. He was a party to the crime. His building was the theater of operation; his nurse, his secretary, his money helped assassins snuff out the lives of the innocent. His baby-killing operation closed the week he was killed.

There must be something unsaid with Troy for him to be so hostile toward Scott Roeder. I believe it is fear, fame, and greed. Troy, like the Apostle Peter, denied that he knew Scott Roeder. Scott writes me that he was a contributor to OR and had met with Troy in the past. I believe Troy scrubbed his records, his memory, and his conscience in the heat of the controversy. In so doing so he missed a golden opportunity to speak up on behalf of the babies that Mr. Roeder so courageously defended.

Troy pursued fame over truth by denying that Scott Roeder was justified in shooting George Tiller. It is popular among effeminate pro-lifer supporters to be against the justified use of force (self defense and defense of others), wars, even just wars, and the death penalty. I am told by a reliable source that before Tiller was shot Troy held to the justifiable use of force doctrine. In panic his views have changed.

Troy is not camera shy. He wants to be the spokesman and face of the pro-life movement. One cannot do that when they hold to a controversial and unpopular view, even if it is the truth.

The truth is Scott Roeder was justified in killing George Tiller. Troy and the majority of the pro-life movement hold to a damnable double standard. They have one set of rules and values for post-born children and other set of rules and values for pre-born children. They tacitly deny the humanity of the pre-born by denying them equal protection. Pro-lifers like Troy are justly criticized, marginalized, and ridiculed by the world.

One day their duplicity will be exposed and condemned. You can bet Troy Newman and his ilks are constantly monitoring the winds of change, and conforming their opinions accordingly.

Meanwhile, I shall call them what they are: “assholes,” “pro-life Christian assholes” with a shitty theology.

Dan Holman

Monday, February 1, 2010

ROEDER'S TRIAL: THINGS TO COME FOR US?

George Offerman


As I mentioned in an earlier post, no matter which way one holds Roeder and what he did, the fact that his defense was not allowed for whatever reason, does not bode well for those who fall outside the purview of political correctness, and may soon be used against us. I am attaching a very well written piece by Dr. Monica Miller, Associate Professor of Theology and Religious Studies at Madonna University in Livonia, Michigan.

Dr. Miller, one of the ND 88, writes one of the best pieces on the need to have a fair trial and the need to consider motive, despite the fact it is extremely unpopular and very few on the pro life side want to contemplate. It is a must read, and I am posting the forward to the piece, that addresses the Roeder trial, and encouraging everyone to go to the link posted below to see Dr. Miller’s paper in progress concerning the moral use of force and her conclusions.




From Monica Migliorino Miller, Ph.D. Director of CPLS
see www.prolifesociety.com
for Roeder conviction another way to access this paper.

In light of the January 29, 2010 Scott Roeder conviction, this working paper (Scroll down) on the ethics of using force in defense of the unborn, is offered for your consideration. My conclusion is that lethal force cannot be justified-- though it is not intrinsically immoral. The point of this paper is to examine this issue with a critical mind.

Here are some thoughts re the Roeder case:
1) According to principles articulated in my paper-- Roeder's killing of abortionist George Tiller, was an illicit use of force--even though his motive was licit.

2) Roeder is not morally guilty of murder. Murder is the morally unjustified taking of innocent human life. Roeder is not guilty of that. He is guilty of an unjustified use of force against an unjust aggressor and so the judge, in the Roeder's case, should have permitted the jury to consider the lesser charge of manslaughter and he did not.

3) The Roeder trial was not a fair trial as long as the victims of abortion were dismissed as non-persons and Tiller's killing of the innocent was never a consideration. And unfortunately since, legally-speaking, no injury is cause to the unborn in abortion--Roeder's defense was, from the start, restricted, unfair and unbalanced.

Monica Migliorino Miller, Ph.D.


Link to Working Paper on the Ethics of Force in Defense of Unborn Human Life

http://www.prolifesociety.com/pages/ArticlesAndPublications/EthicsOnUseOfForce.pdf




As one can see, Dr. Miller attempts to work through some difficult moral, ethical and Theological issues pertaining to force, and how our faith should guide our actions. The forward also points out how the denial of due process by the courts is also not moral, and may be used sometime in the future to deal with any other issue that the developing god/state will determine appropriate for their desired ends.

Again, the denial of due process is not a good outcome in this case despite the fact Roeder Killed Tiller. In essence, he was tried and convicted before this even took place and it is an ugly, but not unpredictable event that will definitely have bad outcomes for believers in the near future. Look out.

Wednesday, January 13, 2010

MISSY SMITH RESPONDS TO THE JP II CULTURAL CENTER FIASCO

George Offerman

I received a response from Missy Smith after posting the last piece on the wimpism at the JP II center. Since Anti lifer Adele Stan does not want or may not be able to tell the truth, and none of the pro life media followed up with Missy Smith, I decided to post her response to this outrage.

You are stop on! Where have all the "Church Militant" gone? Courage and principle once were virtues that we strove for. Today, the Wimpish Factor is in the majority. Even within the pro life movement we hear how important it is not to offend anyone. How offensive is it to suck the brains out of a defenseless child of God?

The tail is wagging the dog here. They have it all wrong.
The inmates are running the asylum. The criminals have the law biding people on the run.

But the buck stops here with you and me George. I am sick of this
whole game. No more Mister Nice Guy. Let's start telling the
whole truth, nothing but the truth so help me God.

Adele Stan came around with her tape recorder and pad of paper
looking for a way to cause trouble and finally she found it.

She edited my speech at the Insurrecta Nex Training session and
waited for the opportunity to make her move. It is true, George
Tiller was a mass murder and he reaped what he sowed. This is
Biblical. Long before I said it, people have been reading this in the
Word of God for centuries.

In nature there are no judgments, just consequences for actions.

Adele Stan didn't report on the fact that Tiller had a physician on
his staff who's job was only to sign the certificates of these young
women aborting their late term viable perfectly healthy children
since the law in Kansas requires a second opinion that the women
having their children killed by Tiller and Carhart would be harmed
if they didn't have this demonic procedure. Adele didn't report
on the 19 criminal counts that were filed against Tiller because of
this "conflict of interest" relationship with his staff member he was
paying to sign these official documents.

She did take my words and twist them around for her own diabolic
pleasure about Tiller and Carhart offering christening services
including photographs of the mother holding her dead child in
a long white christening dress after a phony pastor baptized these
little children whose lives had been snuffed out for no other reason
than someone’s convenience and the financial gain of two sick, sinful individuals.

It is true I would like to "get" Leroy Carhart tried by a jury of his peers and put behind bars for life for sucking the brains out of God's precious children.

Satan's minions are roaming the earth looking for the ruin of souls.
They manifest in many ways and one is a so called journalist who
would post lie after lie to make problems for people who want
to end legalized child killing.

We will miss a great opportunity to reach thousands of young,
women and men that will come thru the John Paul II Cultural Center on the 21st, 22nd, and 23rd of January. They will be here for the March for Life.

I had planned to have Women from Operation Outcry and Silent No
More speaking about the pain and regret of their abortions and how
there is hope and healing thru Jesus Christ.

I had planned to have a post abortive man speak on his life long
sorrow and involvement as well as being the Executive Producer of
the now famous movie Bella and the organization that is setting
fires in schools and prisons around the country called Bella Hero.

I had planned to have one of the greatest sidewalk counselors in
the business give a training session on how to save babies lives
in front the most evil place in the world - the killing centers.

I was going to speak on chastity and help train young adults how
to be real pro life activists thru the greatest training tool available, Insurrecta Nex.

It is no wonder the devil didn't want these three days to come
together and arm the youth from all over the country with the
armor they need to win this most deceive battle for man's soul
since the beginning of time !

Missy Smith
W.A.K.E.U.P.
Chastity Programs International
Team Leader for Insurrecta Nex